Hunter Biden trial live updates: Defense calls gun shop employee who handled Hunter Biden's background check (2024)

Employee of gun store who ran Hunter Biden's background checks says seller gave him incomplete form

Gary Grumbach

Reporting from Wilmington, Del.

Jason Turner said that responsibilities at the gun store included being the “key holder,” running the NICS system and selling firearms.

Turner did not realize Hunter Biden was in the store until the background check was brought to him in the back office of the store by Gordon Cleveland, who sold the gun.

When Cleveland brought Turner the paperwork, it was the ATF Form that had yet to be signed by Hunter Biden, and a copy of Biden's passport.

Turner said he wouldn’t have logged into the NICS system unless he reviewed that the form was fully filled out first. When he saw it was not, he took the form and the passport copy back to the sales counter and explained to Gordon Cleveland what else was needed — “I told him he was missing supplemental ID and signature.”

Turner testified that he never during this interaction spoke to Hunter Biden himself — only Gordon Cleveland.

Naomi Biden arrives at court ahead of possible testimony

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Naomi Biden, Hunter Biden's eldest daughter, arrived at the courthouse with her husband, Peter Neal. She is expected to testify in her father's defense.

She has spoken out in defense of her father before, calling him "a man filled with love, integrity, and human struggles" in a series of social media posts weeks before the 2020 election when his name was in the news.

"The pain he has endured would be enough to make a lesser man give up on life all together," she said at the time. "But despite the best efforts of a cruel few to destroy a private man, he is sober, happy, and as at peace as ever today because as long his family needs him, he has not lost his purpose."

Defense calls gun store employee who handled background check

Owen Hayes

Reporting from Wilmington, Del.

The defense has called its first witness in Hunter Biden’s gun trial: Jason Turner, the Starquest Shooters employee who handled the background check portion of the ATF form.

He took the stand at 11:12 a.m. after an extended morning break.

Hunter Biden lawyer makes motion for 'judgment of acquittal'

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Rebecca Shabadis in Washington, D.C.

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After the prosecution rested, Biden's lawyer Abbe Lowell made an oral motion for a “judgment of acquittal,” listing as his reasons that the charges were unconstitutional under the 2nd Amendment's guarantee of the right to bear arms,

He listed three reasons why, including the unconstitutionality of charges, citing the Second Amendment.

The Supreme Court is expected to rule by the end of the month on a challenge to federal gun laws that could ultimately undermine the statute under which Hunter Biden was charged.

James Biden, President Joe Biden's brother, arrives at court

Rebecca Shabadis in Washington, D.C.

James Biden, uncle of Hunter Biden and brother of President Biden, has arrived at the courthouse.

Hunter Biden lawyer reveals defense's first two witnesses

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Gary Grumbach

Rebecca Shabadis in Washington, D.C.

Gary Grumbach and Rebecca Shabad

Hunter Biden's lawyer Abbe Lowell said the first witness he will call for the defense is Jason Turner, a onetime employee at the gun shop in Wilmington, Delaware, who was involved in selling Hunter the gun.

The second witness will be Ron Palmieri, the owner of the shop, StarQuest Shooters and Survival Supply, Lowell said.

DEA agent acknowledges he's not involved in this case

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Gary Grumbach

Rebecca Shabadis in Washington, D.C.

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Hunter Biden's attorney Abbe Lowell began his cross-examination of DEA agent Romig by telling him, "I’d like if I can in the time I’m here to talk about this case, and not generalities," This was an apparent swipe at prosecutor Derek Hines for asking about generalities of drug use in America.

Romig said, “Nothing that I’ve reviewed would indicate” Hunter Biden was a distributor of drugs.

“I didn’t look into anybody in this investigation,” Romig added. “I did not do anything as a DEA agent” regarding this case.

Prosecutor asks about Hunter Biden's reference to the market rate for crack

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Owen Hayes

Rebecca Shabadis in Washington, D.C.

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Prosecutor Derek Hines asked about a message from Hunter Biden referring to $600 for 10 grams of crack cocaine being the market rate.

When Hunter Biden texted a picture of a white substance on a scale, saying “under any value known to any market in the world what I paid is 60% greater” he was “clearly upset that the amount is much less than he paid for,” Romig said.

The amount of $600 for 10 grams is "pretty significantly higher than the fair market value,” DEA agent Romig said, adding that sellers “100%” size up what buyers are willing to pay.

Romig also told the court that he’s been watching the proceedings from the overflow room and has been listening to the other prosecution witnesses who’ve testified about Hunter Biden’s drug use.

DEA agent testifies about coded language Hunter Biden used for drugs

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Daniel Barnesis reporting from the federal courthouse.

Owen Hayes

Rebecca Shabadis in Washington, D.C.

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Prosecutor Derek Hines had DEA agent Romig read through Hunter Biden's messages that have been previously introduced as evidence to testify about coded language used during drug deals.

When he texted about “baby powder” he was using a “rudimentary, pretty standard cocaine code,” said Romig.

What does “party favor” mean? “Generally drugs.”

Hines finished up with Romig by showing him various texts, photos and videos that we’ve seen in this trial. Romig identified crack pipes, crack cocaine and scales in photos and videos.

Romig has provided lots of explanation for the jury on drug terms and what exactly is in these photos. In one of the texts in evidence, the word “Fenten” comes up. Hines asked what that meant. Romig said it’s a reference to fentanyl, the “most dangerous drug in America today.”

Prosecutor asks DEA agent about the difference between crack and cocaine

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Daniel Barnesis reporting from the federal courthouse.

Rebecca Shabadis in Washington, D.C.

Daniel Barnes and Rebecca Shabad

Prosecutor Derek Hines asked DEA agent Joshua Romig about the difference between crack and cocaine.

Crack is “a more easily smokeable form of cocaine,” Romig said, explaining that crack is actually more pure than powder cocaine because the cooking process removes any cutting agents that dealers may have added to increase the bulk of the cocaine.

Prosecution calls DEA agent, likely its final witness, to the stand

Gary Grumbach

Reporting from Wilmington, Del.

After Brewer exited the stand, the prosecution called who it had indicated would be its final witness,Joshua Romig of the DEA. Romig said of his experience that drug investigations are “pretty much all I’ve done for the last quarte-century.”

He testified about his career of investigating drug cases, first for the Baltimore Police Department and now at the DEA.

“We want to target the high-level drug traffickers” at the DEA, he said.

Forensic chemist says lab tests were done years after gun incident

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Rebecca Shabadis in Washington, D.C.

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Defense lawyer David Kolansky conducted the cross-examination of Brewer. This was the first cross-examination that wasn't done by Abbe Lowell.

Kolansky tried to convey two points in his cross-examination: There was a “minimal amount of residue” in the pouch, and that the first lab test was done in October 2023, five years after the initial incident and after charges had been filed in this case. Brewer confirmed that no tests had been done before October 2023, to his knowledge.

Kolansy asked, “You can’t date when the residue got there, or who put it there?”

“I cannot,” Brewer said.

Kolansky then discussed the chain of custody issues with this pouch.

“It came in strictly for chemistry exams,” Brewer said of the pouch, admitting he did not do any DNA or fingerprint tests on the pouch.

Brewer said he could not identify when the cocaine residue got into the pouch, who put it there or how long it had been there.

Forensic chemist says white powder on Hunter Biden's pouch tested for cocaine

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Daniel Barnesis reporting from the federal courthouse.

Rebecca Shabadis in Washington, D.C.

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Forensic chemist James Brewer testified that he found white powder in Hunter Biden's pouch and that it tested positive for cocaine.

After Judge Noreika qualified Brewer as an expert witness, prosecutor Leo Wise handed him the brown leather pouch and asked him to confirm it was the one he had previously examined.

“I found a minimal amount of white powder” in and on the pouch, he testified.

Wise asked him if there is a test that can determine when a drug was placed on an item or who had placed it there. Brewer said there is not.

Wise introduced photos into evidence that showed a zoomed-in view of the trace amounts of white powder found in the pouch. Brewer then explained to the jury about the two different tests that he ran on the powder to determine what it was.

“Cocaine was identified within the residual white powder that I sampled,” he said.

Who is Jason Brewer?

Gary Grumbach

Reporting from Wilmington, Del.

Dr. Jason Brewer, who is testifying today, worked at the FBI lab in Quantico, Virginia, for about 20 years and currently works as a forensic examiner in the FBI’s chemistry unit. He has testified about 25 different times as an expert witness, he said, and has examined thousands of items over his career.

'An amazing family': Lots of loved ones in court for Hunter Biden today

Gary Grumbach

Reporting from Wilmington, Del.

Valerie Biden Owens, President Joe Biden's sister, and her husband spent the minutes before court started today hand in hand and sometimes her husband, Jack Owens, had his arm over her shoulders. She was wearing black sunglasses inside.

Friends and family took up more than 2 rows of the courtroom gallery, behind the defense table. Jill Biden, Melissa Cohen-Biden, Kevin Morris, Valerie Biden Owens and Jack Owens were among those in court.

When defense lawyer Abbe Lowell walked into the courtroom, he spent a few minutes chatting with Valerie Biden Owens. “You have an amazing family,” Lowell told her.

When Hunter Biden walked in, he kissed his wife before heading to the defense table.

Trial starts with forensic chemist on the stand

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Hunter Biden trial live updates: Defense calls gun shop employee who handled Hunter Biden's background check (30)

Gary Grumbach

Rebecca Shabadis in Washington, D.C.

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The trial has started for the day and forensic chemist Dr. Jason Brewer has taken the witness stand.

He is expected to testify about his analysis of the residue on the brown leather pouch Hunter Biden had used, and his opinion that the residue was cocaine based on his testing and examination of that evidence.

Where is President Biden today?

Megan Lebowitz

Biden continues his trip in France after yesterday's D-Day commemoration events.

Notably, he held a meeting this morning with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy. Biden is expected to deliver remarks later in the day honoringthelegacy of Pointe du Hoc, where U.S. Army Rangers scaled the cliffs during the U.S. invasion to take out German artillery.

First lady Jill Biden arrives at court

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Alexandra Bacallao

Rebecca Shabadis in Washington, D.C.

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First lady Jill Biden arrived at the courthouse at 8:50 a.m. She missed court yesterday because she attended the 80th anniversary of D-Day in Normandy, France, yesterday with the president.

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Hunter Biden arrives at court

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Rebecca Shabadis in Washington, D.C.

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Hunter Biden arrived at court at 8:39 a.m. His defense team is expected to begin calling witnesses today.

President Joe Biden says he will not pardon his son if he’s convicted on gun-related charges

Dareh Gregorian

President Joe Biden toldABC Newsin an interview yesterday that he will accept whatever a jury decides in Hunter Biden‘scriminal trialand that he will not use his presidential power to pardon his son if he’s convicted.

Biden made his brief statements on his son’s historic trial in an interview with ABC News anchor David Muir in Normandy, where the president and other dignitaries were taking part in a service to commemorate the 80th anniversary ofD-Day, a turning point for the Allied forces in World War II.

Asked if he would rule out a pardon for his son, who’s facingthree federal gun-related chargesin court in Delaware, Biden answered simply, “Yes.” Asked if he would accept the outcome of the jury trial, a first for an offspring of a sitting president, he again replied, “Yes.”

Read the full story here.

Defense expected to call Hunter Biden's uncle and daughter as witnesses

Gary Grumbach

It’s Day 5 of the trial, and we expect prosecutors to rest their case by midmorning. After that, we expect an extended break, followed by the defense presenting its case. We don’t yet know if Hunter Biden will testify in his own defense.

Biden's lawyer Abbe Lowell said last night that he expects to call two to three more witnesses, although that could change based on the prosecution’s witnesses today.

Close observers of the trial might remember that in opening statements, Lowell said, “Jimmy Biden will explain why he is so close to Hunter.” That hasn’t happened yet, so we should expect to see testimony from James Biden, who is President Joe Biden’s brother, in some form in the coming days.

On Tuesday, Lowell also said Naomi Biden, Hunter Biden's daughter, is on the witness list.

The jury in Hunter Biden’s federal gun trial heard dramatic testimony from Hallie Biden yesterday. She’s the wife of the late Beau Biden and Hunter’s former romantic partner. Hallie Biden detailed Hunter’s drug addiction, as he faces criminal charges for allegedly lying on a background check about his drug use in order to purchase a gun. NBC News’ Ryan Nobles reports

What to expect today

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Gary Grumbach

Megan Lebowitz

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Prosecutors are expected to bring two more witnesses to the stand: forensic chemist Jason Brewer and Drug Enforcement Agency supervisory special agent Joshua Romig.

Brewer is expected to testify about his analysis of the residue on a brown leather pouch Hunter Biden had used to hold his gun and his opinion that, based on his testing and examination of the evidence, the residue was cocaine.

Romig is expected to offer opinions, based on his training and experience, about coded messages Hunter Biden sent and other information.

Prosecutors could rest their case as early as midmorning. From there, the defense team can call witnesses.

Here's what you missed yesterday at trial

Megan Lebowitz

The late Beau Biden's wife, Hallie Biden, who had a romantic relationship with Hunter Biden after Beau’s death, took the stand yesterday and testified about why she threw away Hunter's gun, as well as details about her drug use and Hunter's addiction.

Earlier in the day, jurors heard from the man who sold Hunter the gun, the man who found the gun in a trash can after Hallie threw it out, and a former Delaware State Police lieutenant.

Hunter Biden trial live updates: Defense calls gun shop employee who handled Hunter Biden's background check (2024)
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